Re: Panaeolus cinctulus look alikes [Re: ralboom] #11552359 - 11/30/09 07:29 AM (12 years, 9 months ago) Panaeolus subbalteatus (newly named Panaeolus cinctulus) is easy to identify despite what others currently say. article is very informative and leaves me with no unanswered questions. Only time will tell. thank you . Magic mushrooms refer to a group of fungi that produce the psychoactive compound psilocybin. 50-60 mm long by 2-4 mm thick. Pileipellis cellular/hymeniform; hyaline to brownish in KOH. But the people who use this species[i] for its psychoactive properties dont usually call it The Banded Mottlegill. Grows in tropical regions of both hemispheres; widely grown across the world, including Africa, Australia, Europe, South Americas, Hawaii, India and Tasmania. Because unpleasant side-effects become more likely at higher doses, its always better to err on the side of taking too little rather than taking too much. After losing more water, caps become light beige, orangish in the centre. Just keep collecting and drying specimens until you have around 3-5grms dry. The gills start cream-colored in young specimens but mature through brown to sooty black as the spores develop. Unlike most Psilocybe species which have a purplish-brown spore print, the spores of P. cinctulus collect to form a jet black print. Always check the laws in your region before proceeding. Tubaria furfuracea is similar to Panaeolus cyanescens, but it is not poisonous; although it is hygrophanous like Panaeolus cyanescens, it grows in woodchips and not dung; they are also more delicate and not as bendy as Panaeolus cyanescens; they also have a spore print that is light orange or brown. MyCoPortal. Reported from North America, South America, Europe, middle Siberia, Africa and Hawaiian archipelago. Foragers are in for a treat: P. cinctulus season runs from spring to early fall, making it a popular magic mushroom to hunt for over the summer months. Some scientists consider psilocybin to produce madness or schizophrenia-like conditions, whilst others were interested in the creative effects and alterations to cognitive behaviors and spiritual or mystical experiences this substance gave people. Thanks for coming by Margaret, hope to see you again! Even more serious problems, such convulsions or permanent psychological harm are possible, but very rare. In recent years, cultivators have had some successes reproducing these sclerotia, though many have found the yield to be too low to be worth the effort. Overland Park, Johnson Co., Kansas, USA [Click for map]. In general, psilocybin typically causes euphoria, altered thought-patterns that can include new insights, and, especially at higher doses, hallucinationsas well as some less-pleasant effects, such as nausea and excessive yawning. To tell these two apart, key distinguishing features include lighter stems and a dark brown (not black) spore print. Drosophila foenisecii (Pers.) Poison Control: Like other psychedelic mushrooms, P. cinctulus have been found to contain psilocybin, psilocin, and baeocystin. While some online trip reports might make claims of different subjective effects, given the powerful impact of set and setting in any psychedelic experience, its hard to separate the effects of different species, especially considering that no two mushroom trips are ever the same. cheers, really good article, btw <3, in case that someone would like to ingest these, is making tea the best option? It includes Panaeolus cinctulus, although it uses the scientific synonym for this mushroom ( Panaeolus subbalteatus ). Gills: Brownish when young, becoming darker with age. Reports that the species sometimes does contain hallucinogens have not been confirmed7. They bruise blue and have a veil. The laws are written in such a way as to treat any mushroom that naturally produces psilocybiin, including P. cinctulus, as a container of the illegal drug, and therefore illegal to posses just as a jar of pure psilocybin would be. I have no idea what it is nor how to prepare it. The known benefits of P. cinctulus all stem from the fact that it contains psilocybin, a powerful and relatively safe psychoactive substance. Though renowned for growing in the same substrate as edible mushrooms on commercial farms, we wouldnt recommend asking your local farmer if you can have a browse of their beds. Please note that use or possession of psilocybin is against Federal law in the United States and is also illegal in many other countries. They are known to occur in temperate zones during wet and humid parts of summer. Maturation is uneven, producing a mottled pattern.Stem: Thin, hollow, brittle, darker towards the base. The legal status of psilocybin mushrooms varies worldwide. [6] It grows from Spring to Fall seasons. Panaeolus cyanescens produces serotonin and tryptophan in addition to the psychoactive compounds. & Trottcr (1925), Panaeolus pumilus (Murrill) Murrill (1942), Photo 1 - Author: T.Kewin (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported), Photo 2 - Author: Peter de Lange (Public Domain), Photo 3 - Author: Peter de Lange (Public Domain), Photo 4 - Author: Juan Carlos Prez Magaa (Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International), Panaeolus cinctulus Mushroom Identification. Mushroom Dosage: What Is the Right Amount of Shrooms? So far, we cant really be sure of anything except that some people enjoy the result of eating these mushrooms. So fond is this species of horse dung that it often appears as a contaminant in the cultivation of other dung-loving species. The flesh is cinnamon-brown to cream-colored and thin. United States (WA, OR, ID): 1-800-222-1222. Look-alikes include hallucinogenic mushrooms that can be recognized by their darker spore coloursblack in, Lawnmower's mushrooms are common in lawns and so they are among the most frequent mushrooms nibbled by young children. You took the typed words out of my fingers however, as Im typing I have come across one curious thought..,I wonder why the mica cap (Coprinellus micace) was not included in the look alike list. Panaeolus cinctulus (Bolton) Britzelm. According to American naturalist and mycologist David Arora, Panaeolus cinctulus is the most common psilocybin mushroom in California. I know you'd need at least 600x magnification, which I have, but I havent gotten much further than that. Habitat: In lawns, on woodchips, in forests; saprotrophic. 1 / 3. It grows from Spring to Fall seasons. In many field guides, it is erroneously listed as psychoactive, however, the mushroom does not produce any hallucinogenic effects. Oregon, USA. Created: 2015-06-19 17:47:07 CDT (-0500)Last modified: 2022-04-18 22:14:39 CDT (-0500)Viewed: 7073 times, last viewed: 2023-03-03 11:30:18 CST (-0600)Show Log. While the lawnmower's mushroom is not highly toxic, some of its look-alikes are dangerous if eaten, especially to children and pets. Her husband (Mr. To reduce the risk of an allergic reaction, always administer with caution. Produced a spore print by separating the cap, placing it face down on a white sheet of paper, and adding a drop of water to stimulate the process. The most widely distributed in the world. Given this variation in potency, some have found that a psychedelic experience brought on by a particularly strong batch of P. cinctulus might be more comparable to trip on a weaker variety of P. cubensis. In 1963 Tyler and Smith found that this mushroom contains serotonin, 5-HTP and 5-hydroxyindoleacetic acid. This is probably why Panaeolina foenisecii is occasionally listed as a psychoactive species in older literature. & Broome) Sacc. The colour changes as the cap dries. Panaeolus albidocinereus. Great to see you're doing quite a bit of research on these OP! panaeolus cinctulus look alike. For this reason, it is not unheard of for people to try to cultivate these mushrooms themselves, although with varying levels of success since Panaeolus cyanescens is sensitive to the correct levels of air, temperature, and humidity. [10] The possession and use of psilocybin mushrooms, including P.cinctulus, is therefore prohibited by extension. Always seek medical advice before self-administering for medicinal purposes and if pregnant or breastfeeding. The few descriptions of accidental P. cinctulus ingestion result in symptoms that on the surface appear to be consistent with a magic mushroom experience. This article in its present form has been read by Mr. W. and approved by him. Be sure to double and triple check your identifications before consuming mushrooms that could be psychedelic, because they often have poisonous look-alikes. A thick, Look-Alikes. Panaeolus cyanescens is a very potent hallucinogenic mushroom, and this results from it being a strong producer of psychoactive compounds psilocybin and psilocin. Most just use its scientific name, Panaeolus cinctulus. Panaeolus cinctulus: Identification, Look Alikes, Effects & Potency Identification and Description. Cheilocystidia 2565 x 7.510 m; cylindric to sublageniform; flexuous; with subclavate to subcapitate apices; smooth; thin-walled; hyaline in KOH. The information found on healing-mushrooms.net is strictly the author expressing an opinion. HOW!? General Mushroom Discussion Wild , Panaeolus Cyanescens: The Psychedelic Blue Meanies Mushroom, Panaeolus fimicola: The Ultimate Mushroom Guide, Panaeolus cinctulus or panaeolus foenisecii? Almost all mushrooms in the genus Panaeolus have this same black spore print, except for the dark brown spores of Panaeolus foenisecii. With that being said, if you want to try and find a dose that works for you, check out our general magic mushroom dosage guide. Need Access to Shrooms? Found them in , Panaeolina foenisecii Mushrooms Up! Notes: Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily pictures of this morning's harvest. That would be a bad trip. [6] It grows from Spring to Fall seasons. The spores ripen in patches and the dark brown colour of the ripest ones causes the mottling. Sometimes bruising bluish at the base. Panaeolina, the genus name of this little brown mushroom, suggests that this species has similarities with those in the genus Panaeolus. Basidia 4-sterigmate. Gills: Broadly to narrowly attached, moderately close. The caps of P. cinctulus mushrooms can grow up to around two inches in diameter when fully mature, turning from dome-shaped (hemispherical or convex) to flat as they grow in size. As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. How to tell the difference between liberty caps and lookalikes like panaeolus? We live in the Pacific northwest and have several types that have dangerous look-alikes. Other cases of mistaken identity could also cause problems, and running afoul of the law could be very serious. However, potency can vary from specimen to specimen, plus human sensitivity also varies. Turns out some of these aren't just foes. Cup: None. 651-657 in, Schenk-Jaeger, K. M. et al. Trip buddies are useful too for taking care of practical matters that are difficult to attend to when not sober. Due to its wide distribution, the origins of this mushroom are uncertaina factor which may have been further confused by commercial edible mushroom cultivators shipping spawn contaminated with P. cinctulus around the world. Beug, M. W., Shaw, M. & Cochran, K. W. Thirty-plus years of mushroom poisoning: Summary of the approximately 2,000 reports in the NAMA case registry. J.Schrt. It has also been sighted in Melbourne, Australia, Central Queensland, Australia Belgium and The Czech Republic. Everyone thought this shroom was poisonousand then they realized it was magic. Geographical distribution: Common, especially in well-watered lawns in summer, throughout North America and Europe. Come find out the supplement industry's dirty secret. So I went out this morning and found quite a few mushrooms in the yard. Correct identification is essential because both Panaeolus cinctulus or Panaeolus olivaceus are psychedelic while Panaeolina foenisecii is arguably not. As long as the prints are jet black your good to go. Row, row, row your boat, Gently down the stream. The last look-alike is Panaeolus Antillarum. Panaeolus cinctulus or Panaeolus olivaceus. Attachment adnate to uncinate, close, slightly swollen in the centre, and with three tiers of intermediate gills inserted. I ordered a "mystery mushroom" box and got this. DoubleBlind Mag is devoted to fair, rigorous reporting by leading experts and journalists in the field of psychedelics. This species, the banded mottlegill, is about medium potency and very widespread. But while people sometimes publish dosage recommendations, both mushroom potency and human sensitivity can very so much that results are really hard to predict. PsilocybeChild attached the following image(s): "Notice that I use big words simply, if you are defined in their eyes as an intellectual, then they automatically put you in the harmless category and send resources elsewhere". When mica is young, Ive seen it meet most of the description of Pan Cyan. was present, but ate no mushrooms. *By the way I think they are Panaeolus Cinctulus. Covered with a glass. There are no reports of a maximum dosage for Panaeolus cyanescens. Cap: Medium-sized, almost flat at maturity, tan to reddish or orangish brown. Most species of hallucinogenic mushrooms have smooth spore walls rather than subtly . Panaeolus cinctulus? Unfortunately, research has been hampered by the laws against psilocybin use. The different Latin names have now been gathered under P. cinctulus, but the old common name of weed panaeolus is still used, along with names like girdled panaeolus, banded mottlegill, and red capsreferring to different aspects of this mushrooms appearance. I have been finding Pan foes/cincts all over this year because of rather consistent rain, but I'm getting weak prints, and after they dry a bit they lose some distinguishing characteristics and I feel more reluctant to eat them. Diluting in water will only make the effects happen quicker. Panaeolus albellus. It is found as a minor compound in most psilocybin mushrooms together with psilocybin, norbaeocystin, and psilocin. Read more about our, If youre looking for peer support during or after a psychedelic experience, contact. They also like to grow in any grassy areas, especially where they have been well kept and fertilized. Panaeolus cyanescens has a variety of names that can be used interchangeably including Copelandia Cyanescens, Blue Meanies, and Pan Cyans. heya, are these also called Hawaiians? (1887)Panaeolus alveolatus Peck (1902)Panaeolus acidus Sumstine (1905) Campanularius semiglobatus Murrill (1911)Panaeolus semiglobatus (Murrill) Sacc. Around the same time, this mushroom gained the nickname weed panaeolus, due to the frequency with which P. cinctulus was found growing in mushroom beds, alongside cultivated edibles like Agaricus bisporus (button mushrooms) and Agaricus campestris (field mushrooms). The look-alike and indicator species vary from habitat to habitat so you wont have the same look-alikes or indicator mushrooms on a lawn as you will on a compost pile. Its pretty 'normal' to be more preoccupied with your phone than your immediate surroundings these days. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I have alot of questions but 1 important one is what does it mean when they say you have have to grow it outside first. Panaeolus subbalteatus (newly named, https://mushroomobserver.org/observer/show_observation/207072, https://wildmushroomhunting.org/index.php?/topic/182-, https://ultimate-mushroom.com/poisonous/212-, https://www.zoology.ubc.ca/~biodiv/mushroom/P_foenisecii.html. Regardless, it will cause hallucinations. Spores 1116 x 7.510 x 69 m, smooth, elliptical to rhomboid in face view, elliptical in side view. You can also try out our magic mushroom dosage calculator where you can choose between six dosage levels, including microdose and heroic dose. With these calculations in mind, as well as Erowid's dosage recommendations for Psilocybe cubensis, the following dosages for banded mottlegill mushrooms are a good rule of thumb: Light: 0.35-1.25 g. Common: 1.25-3.5 g. The mottling effect on the gills of Panaeolina foenisecii is due to patches of spores of different parts of the gill surface-reaching maturity at different times. The color of the cap changes as the mushroom dries out (hygrophanous), with moist caps looking reddish-brown and dry caps taking on a creamy white appearance. Tryptophan is an essential amino acid, meaning it needs to come from dietary sources, and serotonin is a neurotransmitter produced in the brain. Or is there some secret substrate recipe for P. cinctulus sclerotia waiting to be discovered? The information found on healing-mushrooms.net is strictly the author expressing an opinion. They have a brownish-purple spore print and grown almost all year round (but prolifically in the spring time). The following is a list of the about 98 Panaeolus mushroom species: [1] Panaeolus cinctulus. Drugs-Forum. Live plants. he lady referred to as Mrs. Y., who also ate the mushrooms, is his niece by marriage. (1916)Panaeolus venenosus Murrill (1916)Psilocybe vernalis Velen. Panaeolus africanus, psychoactive. This zonate band can help identify the mushroombut remember that this feature may become less obvious as the cap begins to dry. Get our definitive guide on trusted legal retreat centers, clinical trials, therapists, and more. Cinnamon brown to orange cinnamon brown, fading to tan in drying with a dark brown encircling zone around the margin. Ever wondered why some Mushroom Supplements are so cheap? Convex to campanulate, then broadly convex, finally expanding to nearly plane with a broad umbo. Despite its alarming history and association with so-called poisonings, no human deaths have ever been recorded from this mushroom. Qul. Bulk substrates typically include some horse manure or straw to mimic the natural environment where P. cinctulus are typically found. These mushrooms contain more active substances than other species. Hi guys ive been a long time lurker from the /shrooms and im looking to be apart of this community. Are there multiple species hiding behind this single name? 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